Crude Conversations

EP 110 Breaking out the Theraflu with Andre Spinelli

In this one, Cody talks to Andre Spinelli, better known as Dre. In snowboarding, Dre is known for going big — off jumps, off cornices, even a lot of the handrails he used to hit were big. It’s probably because he started riding with old school Alaskan heavies like Dan Coffey and Kovi Linden. They might not have been as technical as other riders, but they were always charging down the mountain and going huge. Then, after Dre had been riding for awhile and filming parts for JB Deuce, Turnagain Hardcore and Think Thank, pro snowboarder Mark Landvik suggested that he and Dre move to Bellingham, Washington to pursue snowboarding as a career. Dre declined the offer because he wanted to stay in Alaska to see how far he could take snowboarding there. He was also in line to take over his dad’s construction business, Spinell Homes.
Even when he was snowboarding all the time and filming video parts, Dre worked for Spinell Homes. He’d work his shift and then he would meet up with a film crew to get a shot. He did this often enough to get enough shots for multiple video parts a year. So, to say that his work ethic was unmatched, is probably a huge understatement. Today, he’s the president of Spinell Homes. He’s responsible for everything from home design to meeting with buyers to hiring employees to land development. That need to excel and go higher has always been there, he says. As a kid, he would jump off everything — playground equipment and even roofs into snow. Nowadays, he’s a weekend warrior, riding whenever he can and introducing his kids to it. In fact, his son, just like Dre, is starting to go big too.

Chatter Marks EP 042 Navigating two different cultures with Nyabony Gat

Nyabony Gat says that her immigrant story started 22 years ago. In 1992, when her parents and older siblings fled from South Sudan and found refuge in Ethiopia — the Second Sudanese civil war was going on between the central Sudanese government and the Sudan People's Liberation Army. It was a long and bloody war and it caused four million people to be displaced. 
Nyabony doesn’t remember much from her childhood. She knows that she was born in Ethiopia and she knows that she and her family came to the United States when she was 3 or 4 years old. Other than that, she’s had to rely on stories from her parents and her aunts and her uncles. Those stories are helpful in understanding her identity, but they’re not a perfect substitute. She says that only personal experience can fill that void.
Today, she works with Alaska’s immigrant and refugee community. She helps them overcome challenges and achieve their goals. And in that process, she says, they’re helping her better understand her background and herself.
Chatter Marks is a podcast of the Anchorage Museum, and is available on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Amazon Music and Google Podcasts. Just search "Chatter Marks."

Chatter Marks EP 041 The things beyond our sensorial understanding with LaMont Hamilton

When interdisciplinary artist LaMont Hamilton was young, he drew portraits of figures that he admired — Jimmy Hendrix, Che Guevara, Malcom X. He called it “scribble art,” a term he invented to describe abstract art that, the longer you look at it, the more it reveals. Then, as he got older, he became interested in photography. But he says that his first love, the one that he considers to be the foundation of his work, is poetry. 
He says that a lot of what he does cannot easily be translated to words. It needs to be experienced and understood through our senses. To sit with it and to meditate on it opens us up to its energy and allows ideas to gravitate toward us. When this happens, we create a situation that nurtures a deeper conversation with the world around us. 
Right now, he’s in-residence, at the Anchorage Museum, working with poets, artists and musicians, and developing a light and sound installation called "To Hear the Earth Before the End of the World." It features sounds of elements — air, earth, fire, water, and aether. And field recordings from Europe and North and South America — sounds of our changing earth. He says that, unlike a painting, this exhibition is an experience that encounters you, you don’t encounter it because it’s going to be playing whether you’re there or not.
Chatter Marks is a podcast of the Anchorage Museum, and is available on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Amazon Music and Google Podcasts. Just search "Chatter Marks."

Chatter Marks EP 40 Infusing life and art with Charles J. Tice

Charles J. Tice is a visual and literary creative in Anchorage, Alaska with an emphasis on photography and gonzo journalism. He's currently in-residence, at the Anchorage Museum, working on a project called Artist Proof #6. It’s a book that’ll feature 100 photographs of strangers, assisted by a narrative. The writing is important, he says, probably the most important part of the project. So, he works on a typewriter because it’s less about technical precision and more about getting his ideas onto the page. He says the project is a love song, and that it’s as much about discovering who he is as it is about representing his community.
Most of the work that he does is a first person narrative. He creates gonzo journalism, infusing himself into a story and becoming part of it. This was true when he quit a steady job to work on a political campaign that he believed in; It was true when he hitchhiked across the United States, photographing people and talking to them about their lives; It was true when he tracked down his birth mother; And it’s true now. Because, more often than not, his life and his work are one and the same — they’re forever intertwined and feeding off each other.

EP 109 A journey of pain and forgiveness with Elishaba Doerksen

In this one, Cody talks with Elishaba Doerksen, the oldest daughter of fundamentalist Robert Hale, better known as Papa Pilgrim. In 2000, the Hale family — consisting of Papa Pilgrim, his wife and 15 kids — moved from the Rocky Mountains of New Mexico to a homestead in the Wrangell–St. Elias National Park and Preserve in Alaska. It's the largest area managed by the National Park Service, with over 13 million acres of land. In that park and on that homestead, Papa Pilgrim inflicted sadistic physical, mental and sexual abuse onto his family. Elishaba, the oldest of the 15 siblings, endured the brunt of that abuse. To the point where he was planning on starting another family in the woods with Elishaba as his wife. He was gathering scripture so that he could biblically justify the decision. That’s when Elishaba — at 29 years old — decided to escape on a snowmachine.The decision to tell her story wasn’t an easy one. At first, it felt like she was betraying her family by telling all their secrets because that’s what Papa Pilgrim had brought her up to believe. More often than not, she believed that by taking her father’s abuse, she was sparing her mother and her siblings from abuse. It was her job to make him happy and if she didn’t do that, then her father would set his sights on others. All that pain would be detailed in a book called “Out of the Wilderness,” but it would take 11 years before she felt comfortable enough to share her story publicly. Now she believes in the positive repercussions of telling her story: That pain is a gift. It’s a bridge. It’s something that helps us understand one another and it opens a door for relationships and forgiveness. And forgiveness, well, that’s letting go of the debt that that person owes you.

Chatter Marks EP 039 Searching for community with Young Kim

Photographer Young Kim says that it’s weird to live in a place that’s so big and so busy that people aren’t checking up on each other. He prefers smaller communities where everyone knows each other. His longing to be part of something tight-knit might come from his early childhood, when he and his family lived in Sand Point, a town of about 600 located along the Aleutian Islands. 
Young’s sense of community has, at times, been reinforced by growing up in the restaurant industry. Specifically, he remembers the staff dinners, when everyone would sit down together for a meal after their shift. Today, Young is the co-owner of Akela Space, a community gallery and photography studio in Anchorage. It’s a place that he and his co-owner, Jovell Rennie, hope to be a hub for community and for knowledge. 
The photography that Young is working on right now is about his mom and how their relationship is changing. When we’re younger, our parents are the caregivers, but as we get older those roles can switch. So, it’s important for our expectations to be flexible because things don’t always play out the way we imagine.

EP 108 Overcoming the traps in my mind with Sydney Eubanks

In this episode, Cody talks with battle rapper Sydney Eubanks, better known as Phonetic. He’s been in the Alaska hip-hop scene now for over 20 years. He started making music in Sitka and then doing live shows in Juneau. He says that being from Sitka — a small town in Alaska — he understood that battle rapping was the fastest way to build his name and get respect. So, in 2002, he went to Seattle to compete in a big battle event called Brainstorm. He did well in the competition and it gave him the confidence he needed to come back to Alaska and start a battle scene there. He called these Alaska battle events Word 2 the Wize and they hosted local battle rappers and legendary battle rappers from outside of Alaska. Word 2 the Wize went on for nine years, cultivating and nurturing seasoned and up-and-coming battle rappers alike.
Phonetic hasn’t performed on-stage since 2016, the same year he decided to stop making music. He had moved to Seattle to pursue being a rapper and things were going good there, but he was also struggling with mental health issues and living away from his kids. So, he eventually moved back home, and for eight years he’s been trying to find a balance between the things he loves and the things he needs. Coaching high school basketball has been a big part of finding that balance. It was actually the inspiration for his new album, Mindful of the Menticide, which deals with uncertainty and mental illness. Where he’s at right now, mentally and physically, he says that he’s found a way to do all the things that he loves — he gets to coach and he gets to rap.

Chatter Marks EP 038 Living Traditional Values and Innovating Indigenous Design with Rico Worl

Rico Worl owns a business in Juneau that aims to distribute money spent on Alaska Native art back into Alaska Native communities. His business is called Trickster for the raven in Alaska Native culture that represents the Creator and is always playing tricks. Trickster began as a skateboard company, so there’s that association too. In fact, the idea for it started when Rico painted his clan crest onto his longboard and skated around Juneau.
Before the pandemic, Juneau saw about a million tourists a year. Many of which purchase what Rico calls knockoff Alaska Native art. A small percent of that money actually goes back to the communities that developed the art form. Rico recognized this and came up with a plan: He would design and sell art that blends modern and traditional styles and make sure the proceeds go back to the Alaska Native communities from which they came.
Chatter Marks is a podcast of the Anchorage Museum, and is available on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Amazon Music and Google Podcasts. Just search "Chatter Marks."

EP 107 Doing dangerous things as safely as possible with Dane Ferguson

In this one, Cody talks to snowmachiner Dane Ferguson. Dane started sledding in 2003 and almost immediately began hitting jumps. Before he even really knew how to ride, he would double up the mountain with filmers and then they would go back down to retrieve his snowmachine for him. Once he and his snowmachine were reunited, all he had to do was point it at the jump and hit the throttle. Dane is a tenacious guy, though. He’s a quick, calculated learner. So, it wasn’t long before he was riding the backcountry and hitting kickers like a pro.
Watch any of his parts in Turnagain Hardcore or Slednecks and you’ll see the type of rider he is. He goes huge, he tries new tricks and he’s not afraid to fall. He says that at a certain point, he realized that the more time you can spend in the air, the more time you have to register what’s going on and make corrections before you hit the ground.
In 2021, his uncle was strong-armed into signing a piece of paper that gave the Taliban permission to marry-off his daughters. So, five days before the weddings, Dane found himself helping his cousins escape from Afghanistan. Then, when Russia invaded Ukraine, Dane got a call from a guy who had helped coordinate the resources that helped get his cousins out of Afghanistan. He said that women and children were disappearing, possibly to human trafficking or possibly to disorganized evacuations. So, Dane made an easy decision: he would go to Ukraine and he would help safely evacuate those women and children who were in impossible situations just like his cousins.

Chatter Marks EP 037 A life of activism with Cal Williams

Cal Williams is an activist and community archivist. He sees his involvement in activism as more of a pull than a draw. He didn’t plan it, it just happened. Seven days after he was born, Pearl Harbor was bombed and most of the men in his life went to war. So, the influences he had at those early ages came from the women in his life. He saw how they did what they could to help the war effort.
He’s 80 now, and his list of achievements are extensive. They include the president of the NAACP of Alaska, the recipient of the St. Francis of Assisi Award and working with HistoryMakers, an organization that collects and preserves the well-known and unsung stories of African Americans. Considering his current work with HistoryMakers and the Anchorage Museum, Cal says that he chases the dead — he reads obituaries and attends funerals in order to collect the stories that would otherwise be lost forever. 
Photo by Jovell Rennie
Chatter Marks is a podcast of the Anchorage Museum, and is available on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Amazon Music and Google Podcasts. Just search "Chatter Marks."